You’re right, Rav Moshe was the unquestioned Gadol Hador except for a certain neighborhood in Brooklyn. Can’t recall its name. Oh yeah, that would be Crown Heights.

Do you think rabbanim don’t hold of לפני עור?

When you admit that what you wrote about Rav Moshe was slanderous and you publicly apologize, I’ll respond to your challenges. You don’t have to remind me that I haven’t answered. It’s totally intentional and it’s because you’ve behaved like a boor.

In our time of hester, anyone can, through their learning, figure out what Hashem wants them to know about their suffering:

מתוך יסודות וסודות התורה שנתגלו לנו ע”י חז”ל ניתן לכל אדם לבחון ולנסות לפתור ענין מאורעותיו ויסוריו וכו’ ומצינו בזה סוגיא ערוכה בסוטה נט י ע”ש היטב ומסופר על הגר”ח מוואלזין זצ”ל שהודיעוהו פעם

And gedolei yisroel see much deeper, into why things happen in the world, again through their yirah and torah:

בכל דור ודור שתל הקב”ה אותם אבירי גדולי ישראל מתוך תורתם השלמה ויראתם הצרופה חנן אותם הקב”ה באותו כח וסגולת רואה ממש הם המגידים לנו את דרכנו אשר הלכנו עליה ופותרים לנו את תכלית היסורים על מה ולמה באו ולעוררנו ולזרזנו לתקן דרכינו ושלא נהיה ח”ו מאותם שנאמר בהם ותלהטהו סביב ולא ידע ותבער בו בו ממש ולא שם על לב

Thank you for the thoughtful reply.

Regarding exclusivity:

“I made this point before. Also, you can find Chabad speakers all over the internet. Other groups are not as public. Maybe you mean something more specific.”

I agree that Chabad’s outreach puts their exclusivity on a bigger display. That’s a big part of it. I do feel however that there’s a difference in degree that goes beyond visibility. The only thing more specific I can say is that the villainizing of other groups makes me particularly uncomfortable due to their broad outreach. It doesn’t seem like a good idea for animosity to be spread along with the Chabad-style chassidus. I’m in a community where Chabad is particularly well integrated with the rest of the frum structure, and I’m in some Chabad focused groups for community info, etc. There’s a lot of MO and BT types who have gravitated towards the local Chabad, sometimes not even because they originally wanted Chabad teachings, but they liked that nobody gives death glares if their kid accidentally breathes in shul, they liked the people, the rabbi, etc. And yet they like to share memes that put down the Litvish or “misnagdim”. I get the desire to identify with your chosen group, and I know there’s some reciprocity, but Chabad’s outreach hits a huge audience, with an exploding number of non-Jews in the mix, and this animosity seems to have a quick uptake. Are we ok with Noahides hating on the “snags”?

“You don’t seem to have a problem with either point other than the debate here is playing both sides. Am I right about that, or do you have an objection to one or both of these points?”

I don’t have a problem with people holding either the idea that kabbalistic mysticism is abstruse or that it can be straightforward. You’re right that it’s the playing both sides that I object to, particularly because the tactic denigrates those with different viewpoints and can shut down discussion.

“Since their knowledge is based on integration as opposed to foundations, they assume we are just lacking in all the confirming information. They do not understand that we are questioning the fundamental concepts.”

“But without accepting the simple form of it, it can’t be understood without really studying it.”

These points are really insightful. I think I agree with you.

You have a lot of gall. I never intended to insult Rav Moshe. I have a lot more veneration for him and what he achieved than I do for the Lubavitcher Rebbe. Why am I subject to your assumptions of me? Yet you never answer any questions about yourn positions. I have asked you several on this thread. And you never responded. Not once.

It seems like you want to live in a simple, easy world, and are mad at Chabad for making you uncomfortable.

I don’t think that those who were calling Rav Moshe’s home number in middle of the night with threats and curses considered him the Gadol Hador. But who knows? With such crazy folks, anything is possible.

Again, this is nothing to do with Chabad. There are yidden today that work to experience prophecy. Admittedly, none of them that I know claim success. I doubt they would tell me if they did achieve it.

Though I think I found the key:

“… always said that we don’t have it nowadays.:

Who is the we, and why is that evidence to this discussion?

I’m not sure what you mean. If you’re referring to a crowd of non frum men and women, though it’s not so common, it is possible that some shluchos do this. It’s possible that it’s wrong, it’s possible that they have a heter from a rov.

If you’re talking about in front of a group of Lubavitcher men, I’ve never seen such a thing, so it’s definitely not something accepted by the mainstream.

For example, they would never ch”v have a woman speak at the kinnus, or at the children’s rallies, etc. Unless you include a young girl saying the pesukim (at rallies, children come up to lead the other children in saying pesukim and maamorei chazal. Sometimes a boy leads the posuk, and sometimes a girl. Children.)

Even if something like this happens, it comes from modernity. Yes there are modern orthodox Jews who call themselves Chabad because they generally follow the Chabad derech. Called Chabad lite.
Where i think your completely wrong is that this has anything to do with the geula or “the boss”. On the contrary, the ones who care more about “the boss” and talk more about Moshiach tend to be the more frum ones. Those who are more modern will admit that the Rebbe isn’t too happy about what they’re doing (let’s not get into a whole thing on this, just answering what you brought up) and that it’s distancing the geula.

Then again, there are foundations more basic to yiddishkeit than this which are up for discussion here, such as corporeality and shituf, so…

I didn’t understand the hesped as you did, but I’ll have to go back and reread it

Yes, mysticism doesn’t change the pshat of anything. That doesn’t refute the mystical experience in the least.

I love this post. Usually people claim that the Rebbe isn’t a gadol because he spent too much time in askonus and no time learning. It’s refreshing to see someone who knows the truth, though I don’t know why you had to go to the opposite extreme.

מענין לענין, just last night I was watching a Chof Av farbrengen from 5731 (commemorating the Rebbe’s father’s yahrtzeit).
Four hours of pure bliss! It started with a hadran on Chagigah, and then the he built a lishitasayu of Shamai and Hillel. After explaining their general positions, he presented a machlokes between Hillel and Shamai from a each seder of shas, and showed how they all follow the same reasoning. Wrapped up with a lesson for how to look at another Yid based on the machlokes in Keitzad Merakdim.
This was followed by a pilpul explaining the opinions of Rashi and Maharsha in a Gemara in Taanis with about 10 powerful questions on the Gemara which were all answered with one point.
And much more. I thank Hashem for giving me access to this!

I don’t care what he is in halachah. That would only matter to if we have to listen to him. The question here is, is he accessing it or not.

So now my question is, when he reaches this clarity, how would he know if it is just ruach hakodesh or actual nevuah?

Did you just post that ruach hakodesh is accessible to all?