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  • #2208367
    WolfishMusings
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    Sigh. Last night I dreamed that I was listening to live music.

    Yeah, I know it’s not like I really did anything wrong, but it still feels wrong. Between this and the fact that I didn’t fast on 17 Tammuz (and won’t on 9 Av), it’s beginning to feel like my entire three weeks is turning into a massive failure. What next? Dream about eating a big deli sandwich on the day before Tisha B’Av? Have a hallucination of wearing new clothes next week? So much for “Kol hamisabel al Yerushalayim, zoche v’roeh b’simchasa…”

    Thanks for letting me mindlessly rant.

    The Wolf

    #2208411
    ☕️coffee addict
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    All dreams go after its interpretations

    Your dream means that you will live after moshiach comes and will listen to music happily

    #2208431
    Avram in MD
    Participant

    WolfishMusings,

    I’m a BT, which means unfortunately that I used to eat non-kosher. I have occasional dreams where I find myself suddenly in a non-kosher restaurant or cafeteria, having just eaten or being in the middle of eating. I then realize what I’m doing or did, and feel horrified, and I’m relieved when I wake up.

    May you have a refuah shleima and a wonderful Shabbos!

    #2208438
    AviraDeArah
    Participant

    Having such dreams and being even mildly bothered by them shows that you have true yiras shomayim.

    #2208529
    Menachem Shmei
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    coffee addict,

    You took the words out of my mouth

    I would add even more:
    Spiritually, you may already be living in משיח’ס צייטן (like the famous story of Reb Mendel Horodoker (Vitebsker) and the scent of Moshiach. Or of Rashbi with saying nachem on Lag Baomer)

    #2208592
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    @wolfish, I dreamt that I was in the Lamar Valley of Yellowstone and watching a wolf pack chasing a elk and suddenly they turn and started to chase me, the alpha wolf suddenly stopped and howled out I have a dream speech.

    Thanks for listening to my mindless rant.

    #2208610
    WolfishMusings
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    Having such dreams and being even mildly bothered by them shows that you have true yiras shomayim.

    While I thank you for your kind words, I wouldn’t go that far. I did, after all, also get six tattoos this past week.

    The Wolf

    #2208702
    WonderingJew123
    Participant

    Temptation only shows his big we are when we withstand it. If it was easy it wouldn’t be a challenge would it?

    #2208734
    amiricanyeshivish
    Participant

    Wolf

    I can’t figure out if you are joking or serious about the tattoos.

    Just to point out the obvious…tattoos are an issur deoiraisa….listening to music in 3 weeks is derabanan.

    #2208735
    amiricanyeshivish
    Participant

    And so is fasting on !7 Tammuz and 9 BeAv not deoiraissa.

    I say this because i find it important to diffrenciate. I know of a Chabad person who went OTD because she ate Cholov Stam and then threw in the towel (nebach) because anyways she did an aveirah….

    #2208752
    commonsaychel
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    I worked with a not Jewish person who was tattooed on both arms, one day he asked me why orthodox jews don’t have tattoos, so I told him the body is a temple and to get a tattoo would be considered a desecration, He thought a minute and said I’m not desecrating I am just decorating the walls.
    Ah Lomdisher goy.

    #2208751
    Menachem Shmei
    Participant

    >>>I say this because i find it important to diffrenciate. I know of a Chabad person who went OTD because she ate Cholov Stam and then threw in the towel (nebach) because anyways she did an aveirah….

    I’ve heard this taana many times on various halachos/minhagim that are only kept by certain groups (like beards, mikveh, etc.) but I never understood it:

    If someone is over a דאורייתא (turned on light on Shabbos, ate a cheeseburger), is that a good reason to throw in the towel?

    #2208756
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    I can’t figure out if you are joking or serious about the tattoos.

    Serious. Just six dots. It’s needed for medical treatment.

    The Wolf

    I assumed such but hoped I was wrong. Refuah Shelaima

    #2208765
    spot on
    Participant

    @cs
    a prime example of why not to entangle ourselves with ta’ama dekra, and just suffice with “kach tzivani haborei.”

    #2208785
    amiricanyeshivish
    Participant

    @Menachem

    Of course not. But if someone finds he “can’t” keep Shabbos anymore he is by defenition not frum. But if he “can’t” eat cholov yisroel that is not the case. The same would be about the Yeshiva guy who “can’t” wear a hat and jacket or the Satmar guy who starts eating OU.

    I was told of someone who was looking desperatly erev Yom Kippur for a chicken for kapporres and wouldn’t hear the tzad to use money, but was saying he doesn’t plan on fasting because “Hashem loves me and for sure doesn’t care if I fast or not”

    When we start mixing up minhagim with chiyuvei krissus it gets a bit mishkebabal and we lose focus on what’s a frum Jew and what is not.

    #2208807
    Menachem Shmei
    Participant

    >>>if someone finds he “can’t” keep Shabbos anymore he is by defenition not frum. But if he “can’t” eat cholov yisroel that is not the case.

    Firstly, I’d like to point out that this is not necessarily a great example, because chalav yisroel is not just a minhag or chumra rather a chiyuv derabanan.
    Just because there is a rov who made a heter, that doesn’t necessarilly make it any less of an issur d’rabanan for communities that never accepted the heter.

    >>>When we start mixing up minhagim with chiyuvei krissus it gets a bit mishkebabal and we lose focus on what’s a frum Jew and what is not.

    There is some truth in what you’re saying, but I would counter it:
    When people start weighing what we do and saying “this isn’t so important, its just a minhag. We can drop it” this also causes one to lose focus of what is a frum yid.
    Being frum isn’t just obeying deoraysos or derabanans, but a way of life. This is the idea of minhagim. And minhagim that are enshrined in Jewish life are vital to Jewish survival, מנהג ישראל תורה היא.
    A Judaism that picks and chooses the mitzvos that they feel are more important and puts less focus on minhagim (the true concept of modern orthodox) fizzels out after a generation or two, ch”v.

    (Sorry for going off topic from the thread)

    #2208923
    Avram in MD
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    amirican yeshivish,

    “I say this because i find it important to diffrenciate. I know of a Chabad person who went OTD because she ate Cholov Stam and then threw in the towel (nebach) because anyways she did an aveirah…”

    This is a common polemic against minhagim or chumros, but it’s rather silly. If someone “throws in the towel” because they believe they did an aveira, ate chalav stam, or flipped a switch on Shabbos, or slept past the zman, or whatnot, their problems are way beyond whether they are aware of what’s a derabbanan or a deoraisa. If someone goes ballistic and burns down a hotel because the scrambled eggs at the breakfast buffet were cold at 10am, would your main takeaway from the incident be how important it is for hotels to keep their eggs hot?

    #2208928
    Avram in MD
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    amirican yeshivish,

    “Of course not. But if someone finds he “can’t” keep Shabbos anymore he is by defenition not frum. But if he “can’t” eat cholov yisroel that is not the case. The same would be about the Yeshiva guy who “can’t” wear a hat and jacket or the Satmar guy who starts eating OU.”

    In the majority of circumstances, one who “can’t” wear a hat and jacket anymore is not due to contact rashes, sensory issues, or the like. Because in those cases the guy would speak with his rav and figure out what to do. No, we’re talking about a person who’s likely developed a deep distaste for a certain segment of klal Yisroel, and is rebelling against it or trying to distance himself from it. By chalav stam or hechshers, perhaps there’s financial or dietary issues at play, but again, a connected Jew would speak with his rav, and what we’re talking about here is most likely also a rebellion. The fact that such a person might land in a place that is nominally acceptable by some other segments of frumkeit is fortunate, but the spiritual situation that leads to the change is not much different than the guy who just “can’t” keep Shabbos anymore.

    “I was told of someone who was looking desperatly erev Yom Kippur for a chicken for kapporres and wouldn’t hear the tzad to use money, but was saying he doesn’t plan on fasting because “Hashem loves me and for sure doesn’t care if I fast or not””

    Whatever.

    #2209006
    Menachem Shmei
    Participant

    Avram, point very well said

    >>>would your main takeaway from the incident be how important it is for hotels to keep their eggs hot?

    Or to stop making eggs altogether.
    Better no eggs then possibility of cold eggs.

    #2209404
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Refuah sheleimah, Wolf.

    #2209780

    Not eating kitniyos is a minhag, but wearing a hat?! This just got out of hand. So, would a person born into a black hat wearing community need a hatara nedarim if he decides to wear his grandfather’s white or gray hat? Would it be if he wears it once, all the time, for work, or on sheni vehamishi only? I really want to know how people see this.

    As to confusion between midrabanan and Torah, isn’t it how we read the story of Adam and Hava making a takono not to _touch_ the grape? You may think that a person who understands the difference will not be confused, but it is easy to imagine someone who did not learn enough to be ignorant about what is meduoraita and what is not.

    #2209948
    Avram in MD
    Participant

    Always_Ask_Questions,

    “Not eating kitniyos is a minhag, but wearing a hat?! This just got out of hand.”

    Lol, black hats are really a stick in your craw, aren’t they? Anyway it was amiricanyeshivish who brought the hats up, and I suspect he feels like you do and was going for irony.

    “So, would a person born into a black hat wearing community need a hatara nedarim if he decides to wear his grandfather’s white or gray hat?”

    No more than he’d need to if he wanted to wear a blue Union Civil War era jacket instead of a black suit jacket, or a hat with a big feather, or a Napoleon hat, or anything else that differs from the common sartorial choices of the community. If he’s always davened with a hat, however, it may be more of a shaila if he wants to forego a hat completely.

    “As to confusion between midrabanan and Torah, isn’t it how we read the story of Adam and Hava making a takono not to _touch_ the grape?”

    Off topic – I notice that your transliterated ח’s go from ch to h when you’re in a more trollish mood, I wonder what it means.

    On topic – yes and no. Chava’s addition of “we cannot touch it” gave the snake the opportunity to increase the confusion that he started when he initially opened the conversation with the incorrect, “so Hashem said you cannot eat from any of the trees in the garden?” And that’s not the only inaccuracy/addition she had. She also added the term “fruit” to the command, and she said the tree of knowledge was in the center of the garden, whereas we were told previously only that the tree of life was in the center. She desired the fruit both physically and intellectually, and her changes to the description of the tree and the command seem to reflect that desire. When the snake pushed her against the tree and she did not instantly die, she could have thought many things. Hashem didn’t punish me because my touching it was unintentional. Maybe the punishment isn’t instantaneous. Whatever. But instead, she used the confusion as a means to rationalize, and she ate the fruit. Just like someone stealing from a store may rationalize that it’s a victimless crime, they have insurance, whatever. Maybe she was “confused” about some things, but she wasn’t confused about the eating being forbidden. She knew Hashem did not want that.

    #2209958
    commonsaychel
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    @in Md, I sometimes notice the Ch and H in the same post, I guess he forgets sometimes.

    #2210017

    > Hashem didn’t punish me because my touching it was unintentional. Maybe the punishment isn’t instantaneous.

    Exactly. On the most basic level – mixing up your own ideas/gedorim with what the Creator wants from you leads in the wrong direction.

    Ch-H – you may be right. When I am writing carefully, I may be paying attention to transcription, but not in the other cases. It seems like you constructed an irony detection measured as entropy of spelling variations or something like that.

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