eidele bochur

There’s story where a reporter came to check out a famous yeshiva and write an article on it. When he saw the beis medrash and the bochurim were yelling at each other in learning, he asked the person who brought him there, “I understand that they are learning the Torah and it’s very special but why do they have to be screaming at each other?”
The person answered him, “If someone would come and try to take your life, would you start screaming? Of course. To these bochurim, Torah is their life. If someone tells them that the Torah that they are trying to tell over is not true, it’s like someone is taking away their life and that’s why they scream.”

What about Ner Yisrael or YGW

Dear Eidele,

Here is what you can do. Review, review, and review! Whatever you want to discuss, prepare it so well that you would not need to look inside to confirm how you understood it. Know the words that gave you your insight verbatim. The yeshivishe mehalech puts it’s preference on the key words of what is being understood. If you know exactly which words moved you to your conclusions, you would reach the conlusion of most of your interactions much faster. This would cut out a lot of the fighting.

Going from MO to NY Yeshivish will be transition. If you put Torah first, you’ll do just fine. If you are bothered by “yeshivisha shprach” you’ll be continuously unhappy.

The yeshivish world of America carries a lot of weight on of the “yeshivisha” mindset. It’s there because it helps keep the standard flow. As someone who went through it, without being comfortable, I can tell you that I had no no issue with the sprach. I had my own struggles and was, and remain, deeply appreciative of the yeshivisha oilom who never ostracized me for my own shortcomings.

I always felt welcome and I always felt the push to self improve. Hopefully, you’ll feel the same.

You should stay in EY: the Torah you learn there is a higher madreiga than anything you’ll learn in chu”l.

Nom, that’s not true. Chazal talk about toras eretz yisroel in several places, aside from the mitzvos (and averos) that occur there being on a higher level in general.

That being said, some learn better in chutz laaretz, including myself; there are fewer distractions here, less drama, easier to get by financially, etc… nothing about the land itself, just the current lifestyle that is necessary there at this time isn’t for everyone.

There are different ways to learn. If you are uncomfortable with certain style, you might consider other ones, especially if the style includes rudeness,, however excusable as listed above. This difference goes bacl to Bavli and Yerushalmi, with those from EY, like you, being less argumentive.