Grocery that gets rid of all Chometz before Pesach

looks like another chumra making people to throw away the food Hashem sent their way. Why not give it to some sheigetz in Lakewood that holds by mechiras chometz?

Yes its call the troller supermarket

Rav Reisman points out that he doesn’t understand Jews who davka purchase from goyim post pesach
Buying in a Jewish store ie Supporting a Jew is a d’oraysah
Not selling chametz is a chumra
The chumra doesn’t override a d’oraysah
It is one of many misplaced priorities

smiler

It is hard to imagine how such a store could exist .
Please do teshuva for throwing out perfectly fine food purchased from ehrliche people who follow halacha

This appears to me to be a chumra born in the Lakewood mentality. Move outside the east coast and everyone buys from the same handful of stores that supply the entire community…and they all sell their chometz.

Not to judge, as to each his own. I just wonder how the Rabbonim of 100, or even 50 years ago would view the “chumra” culture of today. Many Rabbonim have been outspoken about the added chumras which add stress and anxiety to an already overwhelming modern society.

Dear Avira,

Because the logistics have completely changed. Even if such a store is found, who are the suppliers?

The chamets sold before Pesach should be batel in the chametz bought after Pesach.

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Avirah
I am curious where you got that “not in the gemarah” part
Mishna peschim 2:1
Yerushalmi perek 2
and then there is the famous tosefta

My apologies, i should have been clearer – selling is definitely with a precedent. The issue the Gaon had was with selling it while it remains in the jews house/store.

Avira

“The issue the Gaon had was with selling it while it remains in the jews house/store.”

I’m not sure how you know that. As Far as I know the Gra did not write anywhere opposing the sale, including in his comments to Shulchan Aruch (448:3) where sale is mentioned.
Masseh Rav does mention that he avoided buying from Chometz that had been sold, thoughg it does not say why.

Do you have a source indicating that he was “very, very against it.”?

(To be clear I’m not saying he wasnt agaisnt it, (though “very very” seems like a stretch) I am saying that just becasue he was agasint it does not mean this is something that people should follow today for all the reasons I shared from Rabbi Reisman in previous post)

Just curious. Do those who hold with the Gra’s position on selling chametz also hold with his position that there is nothing wrong with eating gebrochts on Pesach?

Why is anyone taking this troll seriously?

Pity
I would have like to see the Gra.
Only reference I’m familiar with is Maaseh Rav

@smiler613, i think it would be worth it for a troll to get a life

This is a derabonon so I don’t know if the rule of being half on fixed bitul applies.

> I just would rather give a yid parnassah but only if he gives me the products that I want.

“I want” seems like such a goyishe attitude, you should probably go to walmart lehathila!

Posters here raised good objections that this chumra is a kula towards the Jewish sellers, so you should probably ask a Rav …

In defense of the poster though – if you are in a place where a Jewish grocer raises prices thanks to the monopoly in the Jewish commuity, you might be justified going to walmart not only because it is 20% cheaper for you, but in order to break the excessive pricing for the whole community.

Dear Reb Eliezer,

I could give you ten solid reasons why bitul doesn’t apply.

But one will suffice to eradicate every possible retort.

If the chometz would have been properly sold before pesach there would be no issur. We don’t ever use bitul after we intentionally created an issur. דבר שיש לו מתירים

Dear Smiler,

Gives you the products that you want?!?

Go be a butcher and let’s see if you keep selling only kosher.

Most supermarkets operate on a very thin profit margin. If a shomer shabbos grocery can afford to throw away everything in his store, he has to be marking up the wholesale prices considerably.

common > AAQ, “so you should probably ask a Rav …”
You don’t believe in that.

Stop trolling me. I explained already – I do not believe in Daas Torah. Why? Because I asked the Rav and he said so.

n0> You don’t understand retail at all!

yes, I am not in retail, B’H. you are right about competitiveness. But there are still pockets of monopolies – selling in poor neighborhoods where people do not drive to Costcos, government contracting … kosher stores in small towns used to be such, dented by Costcos and other stores now selling many kosher products and online shopping, but still they have their captured audience of older or uninformed customers who sometimes pay over the roof.

common, the real reason I am suggesting to go ask a Rav is Rambam in halochos deos that says when a person is unhealthy he needs to go to the doctor, when he has problems with deos, he needs to go to a chacham. That is what I I think I meant, not simply get a psak on a particular question.

@AAQ, so do as I say not do as I do?

Smiler

“I personally try to buy from Yidden even when the quality and price are worse, but if they refuse to supply the Chumras that I want, that’s when I stop feeling obligated to patronize them”

I don’t get this
So you’re a meikel stam to make yourself feel good. Isn’t that worse than a meikel who is driven by yetzer harah for money?