Kol HaTorah Kula

Why did you leave out the entire shulchan aruch and Rambam?

Explaining all the mitzvos in the Torah from all angles. With all the meforshim also written beside the author.

Rav Chaim Kanievsky zatzal write up an entire list of what he considered Kol Hatorah Kula for an individual who wanted to make a specific Yossochor/Zevulan partnership covering it all. It was quite an extensive list.

Rabbi Eisen from Shas Yidden has the list, (and has faced facilitated a number of such partnerships. )

The Raavad sometimes uses a harsh language on the Rambam to discourage relying completely on the Rambam.

One who skips the aggados has no concept of where the halachah starts and ends.

He will be an am haoretz who claims to have finished shas.

Dear Yabia,

The entirety of Midrash can mean many different things.

Perek Shirah?

Yalkut Shimoni?

All the versions of the Tanchuma and Pesikta?

Sefer Yitzirah?

Bahir, Kanah, and Heicholos?

Mesechtos Katanos?

125 st said:

“Nach should be taken out. It’s not Torah.”

MY RESPONSE:

What “125 st” said above is one of the most ignorant statements that I saw in my entire life.

For your information, any Jew who says that ONE WORD of Nach is NOT from HASHEM, that person is an Apikuris Gamur, and he or she is guaranteed to be eternally-banned from Gan Eden, no matter how many good deeds he or she did in his lifetime.

If Sefer Mishlei is not Torah, then why did: Rashi, Vilna Gaon, Malbim, Metsudath David, Ibn Ezra, Ralbag, Rabbeinu Yonah all write commentaries [peirushim] on Sefer Mishlei?

Everything that I just said about Sefer Mishlei is true for all of Nach.

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Midrash Tanchuma, Parshat Re-eh, chapter 1:

“The wicked rebels of the Jewish People do not believe in the Neviim (Prophets) or the Cetubim (Divinely Inspired Writings).”

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Midrash Rabah, Seder Tisa, Parshah 41, Paragraph 5:

Rabbi Levi taught in the name of Rabbi Shimon ben Lakish:
Just as a bride wears 24 different decorations,
a Torah Scholar must be diligent in all 24 books of Tanach.

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Midrash Rabah, Seder Bamidbar, Parshah 2, Paragraph 10:

Through the study of Torah, Neviim and Cetubim,
the Holy One Blessed Be He atones for him…

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Midrash Rabah, Kohelet, chapter 1, paragraph 34:

The Neviim and Cetubim [Nach] were given
so we should labor in them, and do mitzvot
and good deeds and receive reward.

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Rashi commentary on Exodus/Shemot,
Parsha Tisa, chapter 31, verse 18:

…A Torah scholar needs to be expert
in 24 books [of Tanach, which has 24 books].

Dear Yabia,

The problem is that the majority of midrash is post tannaic. And around half of it is more recent than the talmud. Also, there are several extinct midrashim that survive in later sources.

We did not say the Bracha on Rav Chaim Kanievskuy because of his daily chiyuvim.

I’m not going to be enticed into mentioning living people. But there are plenty.

Rav Ovadia Yosef Rav Moshe Feinstein and the Chazon Ish are glaring omissions. Rav Chaim Ozer as well. That covers a century of answering the world’s heaviest questions.

Does someone “keep score” as to which rabbonim have completed the 24 (or whatever one believes the number is) of seforim that constitute “Kol Hatorah Kulah”? Would a big talmid chacham who for whatever reason had only completed 22 or 23 of those seforim not be worthy of reciting the baracha referenced by DaMoshe. One might think the decision would be based on a wholistic assessment of the lamdus and other attributes of a particular Rav versus some numerical score of how many seforim had been mastered.

As n0mesorah mentioned, there is a difference between “from Hashem” and “Torah = LAW”

The Torah, the LAW – and, of course, the discussion of how to get to the law, is Yahadus.

I would say, that even reading the story of the Mabul or Yosef and his brothers doesn’t qualify as “Limud haTora”, which is a very specific classification. (as i quoted above…., vshinantam lvanecha vdibarta bam….. “ki im bToras H’ cheftzo uvToraso yeegeh yomam vlalyla” and “vhagisa bo yomam vlayla”)

“Ki al pi hasvarim ha’eleh karati itcha bris v’es Yisrael”, and many other psukim say beferush this concept. The entire Bris is the Torah, nothing else. Furthermore, the other Nevi’im have no right to give us any laws, = meaning they are not Torah AT ALL!
Only that Moshe said there would be a place Hashem would choose to rest His Name and that we should put over us a king from whom Hashem will choose, so we need the Nevi’im for that.

Of course, it’s important, just like Agada and Mussar etc…

Disregarding Nach seems to be a tradition stemming from (1) focusing on Gemora, (2) backlash to Zionists who highlight Nach as nationalist history and it is hard to argue against, so it is easier to skip.

Still, I don’t think we can call someone who claims Nach is not Torah an apikoires – just an ignoramus.

Yahadus existed before Nach.(don’t worry, I know the midrash that all 24 books were given to Moshe).
Chazal say many times, (and it’s clear in the chumash), that Nach is NOT Torah. Yahadus IS the Bris of the Toras Moshe, nothing else aka the Law of Moshe, AND understanding it.
The Neviim have a very important purpose, but that’s not Yahadus itself.
No one has actually responded to what I said. They just skipped it over.
And if you were on the recent Chabad thread (from which this thread was crafted – in fact, I inspired Yabia Omer to start this thread from there. Ayan Sham), then you would know that I am more “biblical nationalistic” than anyone. I am also an expert in Nach more than many. I believe Halacha is drawn from the pasuk first (Mechilta Sifra Sifrie, before Mishna. So, no, I am not focusing on Gemara too much, although you need it to understand the Law)

This discussion is not about Jewish knowledge or scripture.
It’s about Limud haTorah= “the Law”
Read my previous notes, so I don’t have to repeat multiple times .

We might be saying the same thing but referring to it differently

Dear 125,

No he doesn’t. We’ll get to the sources. But one question. How do you know what is a Bris, Mitzva, or Halacha, without the aggada?

Now I’m starting to understand what you mean. What you intend with the word ‘Torah’ is vastly different from what myself and the OP are thinking. And while there are times that your meaning is accurate, I strongly argue that the phrase ‘kol hatorah kula’ is not one of them.

Before you can define “Kol HaTorah” you have to define the word “Torah.”

The way it’s used, it usually refers to one of two things:

1. The first five books of the Tanach.
2. The entire corpus of Halachic/Aggadic literature.

Any other definitions are just arbitrary decisions made by the person making the statement.

Also, why is this thread tagged with “Apikuris?” Was the OP hoping I’d respond?

The Wolf

Nach is the word of Hashem. That’s yahadus.

instead of hacking a tzinik and bringing stories why not just open a shulchan aruch – look in shulchan aruch harav hilchos talmud torah, there are different levels, in the begining of perek 3 he says
וכל מי שדעתו וכח זכרונו יפה, שיוכל ללמוד ולזכור כל התורה שבעל פה כולה, הרי זה לא ישא אשה עד שילמוד תחילה תורה שבעל פה כולה, שהן כל ההלכות בטעמיהן בדרך קצרה, שהן פירוש כל התרי”ג מצות בתנאיהן ודקדוקיהן ודקדוקי סופרים…….

yay, when are you turning 3?

Dear Yabia,

I have to think about this second layer.

Anyways, you left out tosofos itself.

I don’t like this second layer at all. It’s all almost on one part (Talmud Bavli) of the original list. And to some extent, it has to be done in the first place. Knowing Yerushalmi without anything else, is not an accomplishment. The truth is, that goes for everything. I can’t learn kol hatorah kula in a vacuum.

Dear Always,

“Should he take a semester of?”

No. He should stay in yeshiva and be mindful of others. Put back the sefarim he takes out. Clean up his spills. Not interrupt people who are learning. Return a kind word with a smile. Yeshiva is the best place to put what we learn into practice.

The average person starts of learning so that he can continue learning. Most of us slack of before we get to the point that it really transforms us. So we settle for a slight improvement. Our wrongful behavior is very much a part of us before we even learn Aleph Bais.

n0 > He should stay in yeshiva and be mindful of others

Great suggestion. But what takes? If he learned a masechta and did not start implementing it yet, why would he suddenly change? In other words, is Bava Kamma addressing someone who already learned and somehow did not start doing!?

This is the problem with chatbots.

The above post has some serious mistakes and nobody thinks to correct it.