Oorahthon

If you believe in the cause, and you don’t mind putting in a second one, why not? If you’re treating it like a lottery, with a tinge of Tzedaka, I think a second ticket has a very small impact. Once your chance of winning is anyhow below 1%, you are depending more on your luck than your chance.

Avirah, are you in favor of supporting Oorah? Are you aware that they have a float in the Celebrate Israel Parade in NYC every year?

Da – rav mintz, their daas torah, is openly antizionist. Om recordings, and in his “ask the rabbi” book. Oora is run by Lakewood yeshivaleit, so i doubt that they participate in the parade, alongside toeva and reform groups

But if they did, it could be because their target audience includes mostly israelis and sefardim who identify with israel, and they might get flack if they don’t. It could potentially hurt their kiruv, which is sakanas nefashos.

But that’s assuming it was approved by rav mintz; who knows? Aish does and says many things that rav noach weinberg did not and would not approve of.

I asked rav belsky years ago when deciding to go into teaching if im allowed to work in a school which celebrates 5 Iyar, and he said that there are communities in which it’s impossible to run a school otherwise.

But here it’s worse, because of the aforementioned hischabrus with toeva groups and reform

coffee, reading and quoting other religions ls also annoying, even if it is also a comic.

Da, that was wrenched out of context, and I’m surprised that you cherry picked that one line..i haven’t seen you do that before. I’ve seen you quote out of context when you’re getting information from others, but here you’re plainly ignoring the sentences above what you quoted. He is antizionist and wrote that it was wrong to make a state and that it’s not a Jewish idea – would it have hurt you to quote the entire paragraph?

And he’s not saying that after the fact, that the state is a good thing, or that it has anything whatsoever to do with what religious zionism teaches

He’s saying the majority view(that is, everyone except Hungarian yidden and Yerushalmis) that once the state is made, it’s a Mitzvah to make it as religious friendly as possible, and yes, the millions of jews there would be in danger if the state were suddenly dismantled… He’s just saying the consensus of gedolei yisroel from almost every stream. But the fact that he discusses dismantling it should inform you of what he thinks ideally should happen, absent the dangers it would pose.

Avira, you missed my point. You can say whatever you want about the formation of the state, but here, today, we should be working with the state. Publicly opposing it all the time and saying how it’s terrible does not accomplish anything except to cause more hatred against frum Jews.

I don’t go for Oorah’s Feivish….. With today’s Biden inflation I go for Oorah’s Franklin’s right out from their amazing camp and kiruv they do and they keep sending it straight over to me.

It means the government that exists in Israel.

Avram, I agree with you, and I don’t have any issues with the level of participation within the government. My issue is with the chareidim who don’t follow the laws.