Posek HaDor

Rav Bick ZTL, Rav Henkin ZTL and others all disagreed with Rav Moshe on many occasion, and they were entitled. But unless you are qualified to agree with one psak over another, and in the base sense of a prevailing halachic behavior in your family or community, you should follow whoever is the bigger posek (or poskim), and that often would mean Rav Moshe. However, that having been said, there is no such Halachic status as “Posek Hador”. Rav Moshe ZTL was great beyond great, but there is no reason to consider his psakim more authoratative than let’s say Rav Aharon Kotler or the Chazon Ish. There would be no reason, let’s say, to follow Rav Moshe’s shiurim for the Pesach seder than those of the Chazon Ish. In fact, Roshei Yeshiva and Poskim, such as Rav Hutner, Rav Eli Meyer Bloch of Telz, the Debreciner Rav, the Chelkas Yaakov and others, sided with the Satmar Rebbe over Rav Moshe regarding the obligatory size of a mechitzah in a shul, and/or the permissibility of artificial insemination, which were the two big disagreements that those Gedoim had in halachah. It was indeed Rav Hutner who approached the Satmar Rav asking him to write a refutation to Rav Moshe’s psak about the Mechitzos. You will not find the phrse “posek hador” anywhere in any meaningful way. The Tzitz Eliezer uses it all over the place in his titles, and, I believe, either the Teshuvos Maharshal writes it among the titles to the Ramah, or the Teshuvos Ramah about the Maharshal. But in any case, the title connotes no halachic status.

Unfortunately, many of those who use Rav Moshe’s psakim do so only when he is maikel. He permitted Cholov Yisroel (only b’shas hadchak – though they don’t pay attention to that part of the psak); he lowered the height of the Mechitzos — psakim such as these made life much easier for the Modern Orthodox, and even the out-of-town Orthodox communities. They believe they need Rav Moshe’s psakim to facilitate their mission as Modern Orthodox rabbis, or to be able to cater to the not-so-frum and do Kiruv. That is not a bad thing. A psak is a psak. However, when the same Rav Moshe prohibits Shabbos clocks (in most cases), or prohibits going to college, or paskens unequivocally that boys are prohibited m’doraisa to be “just friends” with girls, the same rabbonim with “Rav Moshe’s mechotzos” and cholov stam suddenly rely on “other poskim” (though in the case of boys being friends with girls, there are no poskim of anywhere near that stature who disagree with Rav Moshe). Part of it is due, too, to the fact that, at least in America, the other two personalities who were considered Gedolei Hador of that caliber were Rav Aharon Kotler and the Satmar Rav ZTL. Because of Rav Aharon’s stance on college and secularism in general, and the Satmar Rav’s stance on Zionism, there was no way in the world that those two Torah giants were going to be considered authoratative in what constituted the Orthodox community in America in those days. Instead, Rav Aharon was largley ignored, as it was predicted the followers of his hashkofo would become “mere tourist attractions” (thats a quote from Rav Y.B. Soloveichik in his “Five Addresses” about who he refers to as “seperatist Orthodox”. Rav Aharon was the leader of that Hashkafa), and the Satmar Rav was passed off as extreme by these people. In other words, it was “safe” for people to accept Rav Moshe and ONLY Rav Moshe because once you accept someone’s psakim in hilchos shabbos and kashrus, for example, you are forced to at least think about considering the fact that their stance against college or Zionism comes with as least as much authority. Of course, Rav Moshe Feinstein ZT”L deserved all the honor and respect that he received. He was a Gaon among Geonim and a Tzadik among Tzadikim, and one of the great Halachic authorities of our times. Thats not the issue. The issue is the fact that people pick and choose which Gaon-among-Geonim to follow when and because it is comfortable for them to do so.

The Gedolim in the days of the Shulchan Aruch and shortly thereafter have agreed to accept the psakim of the mechaber (and the Rema) as authoritative. The Shach writes that one cannot even claim “kim li” against a psak of the Shulchan Aruch. This is akin to accepting someone as your “Rebbi”, where you follow his psakim. This is the same thing that happened when, let’s say, Klal Yisroel decided that the period of Chazal has ended after the 7th generraiton of Amorayim (Mar Zutra, Mar bar Rav Ashi, etc), and nobody from here on in can add to the Gemora. There was no “halachah lmoshe misinai” that told us that the Gemora was sealed; it was the accepted reality told to us by our Gedolim. The same thign applies to accepting the Shulchan Aruch and Rema.

Good old Joseph, he’ll never miss a chance to insult large numbers of Jews, even when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Is this the most important issue facing Klal Yisroel in 2023?

@ YO”: “UJM: where did I say R Ovadia was Posek HaDor? Did I even mention his name?”
Its called a preemptive strike, because most of your post are about how bad Askinazim are and how great Sephardim are.

The title has no real practical significance. At least not since the days of Yehoshua (?). Similar to the idea of Gadol Hador it is a honorary term. If some whosays who is Rabbi X? You can respond by saying He is soooooo great he is the Posek/gadol/tzadik Hador.

Let’s take Rabbi Akiva for example. I think most would say he achieved a very high title. Does that mean that we always pasken like Rabbi Akiva? No. Psak has a certain system and does not care about titles.

When it comes to the title Posek Hador IMHO it is more about who has contributed the most to psak halacha. Thirty years ago R. Moshe had few rivals in the Ashkenazi psak ( R. Sholomo Zalman?) and R. Ovadia had no rivals in Sfardi psak. This does not mean that we pasken like them. It just means that their word carries a lot of weight and we consider them heavily when considering how to pasken Lemaaseh.

Dear Ujm,

Not do degenerate either of them, but to think that Rav Aaaron or the Satmar Rav could have brought anything similar to what Rav Moshe brought to the questions of the generation is highly absurd. Both of those giants you mentioned, were more committed to raising the people over the bar, than to elucidating what the bar actually is.

> Rav Ovadia is a Godol

He is a Gadol and a Chacham. As I wrote before gedolim are indirectly elected. Chofetz Chaim did not declare himself a godol. He travelled around, selling his seforim, giving discounts to groups who will learn them … when other Rabbis started sending their shailos to him and to pasken by his seforim, he became the godol.

The Gadol HaDor, Moreinu v’Rabbeinu Harav HaGaon Sar HaTorah Shloimele Rosenbaum, the heilige Admor of Shaputz (a/k/a The Shaputzniker Rebbe) shlit’a, lives in a community he leads outside of Tzfas. His Gadlus isn’t well know because of his deep humility, but he heads both a yeshiva gadola and a kollel there. His opinions on such things as women wearing sunglasses, dressing in a tzniyusdike manner, setting the dining room table inside on Sukkos, chewing gum, kashrus, and davening every day with a minyan, are know the world over, and have attracted hundreds of new followers to his community. There are Shaputznik communities in Baltimore, Philadelphia, Boro Park, and the Lower East Side.
His seforim on halacha and hashkafa are available wherever fine Judaica is sold.

Yabia, he had influence on Lubavitcher chasidim and secular jews. None of his teachings or rulings spread elsewhere. He met with tons of secular figures, from America and Israel, and was seen by them(and them alone) as a representative of orthodoxy… But he was not seen as such by orthodoxy itself! Modern jews looked to rabbi yoshe ber soloveitchik, chasidim looked to their own rebbes, with certain ones being more outstanding in America, such as satmar, bobov, klosenberg, etc… And litvishe had the gedolim mentioned above.

ujm:
Whether or not the Lubavitcher Rebbe was a Godol or not is besides the point. The fact that because of him, more Yiden are doing Teshuvah today than ever before, world wide is the important thing. Those of us who live in Brooklyn, Monsey, & Lakewood may not realize this because we live relatively insulated lives. But since I made the move to Boca Raton in Florida 8 years ago I am amazed by what I see here in Chabad. And the dedication & mesiras nefesh of these Baalei Teshuvah is truly genuine.

Shlomo; want to know where most BTs become frum? It isn’t at mitzva tanks or chabad houses, it’s in yeshivos in eretz yisroel, especially among sefardim.

BT movement is also due to Tzahal, it started in large after six day war that made some Jews re-evaluate their positions. And Chabad was there to help them.

Yabia Omer,

“You have data to back that up?!”

It’s not an apples-to-apples comparison. And you and AviraDeArah would likely have to first come to mutually agreeable definitions of BT and frum to even begin an attempt at comparing.

YO: When referring to “Orthodox”, it is simply referencing the Jews who never broke off to form a new movement. In other words, “Orthodox” is simply referring to what used to simply be called “Judaism”. (This point is also true regarding the term “Chareidi”.)

In fact, the very term “Orthodox” was coined and invented by the Maskilim (intended in a mocking manner, based on Orthodox Christianity) to refer to those who didn’t join the breakaway Reform movement.

Indeed, Sephardim (or more precise – non-Ashkenazim, they didnt have to be in Spain) did not have haskala and all machlokets that came out of it. Of course, they lived side-by-side with Karaims centuries earlier.

“Charedi” is not a synonym of what was Judaism before, it is one of the modern responses to current condition.

DaasYochid: imitation is the best flattery.

I didn’t know that the words imitation and mocking were synonymous.

@DaasYochid Nope. Which is why we’re arguing about it in our free time in CR, instead of taking out ads in the Yated and posting petchkvilim to shul bulletin boards.

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