Relating the Tisha B’av message from Hashem in Today’s generation

I have a question: how can I force myself to feel sad if I don’t?

put yourself into the situation we are mourning, can you imagine what it means Hashems Shechina (holy presence) leaving klal yisroel & his Bais Hamikdosh on fire? can you imagine the simcha we had in the days when the Bais Hamikdosh was standing?

No, I can’t. Guess I’m not on a high enough madreigoh.

“No, I can’t. Guess I’m not on a high enough madreigoh.”

I just find it difficult to get emotional about something that happened 2,000 years ago. Sorry.

So can you maybe cry for that? the fact that you cant cry over the beis hamikdash? it is perfectly normal not to be able to cry for something that doesn’t touch you in some way, so maybe try crying because you don’t have what to cry about

Bump for 9/11 wow can’t believe it’s 15 years already. Remember it like yesterday. Wish it never happened.

“9/11 i.e. tisha b’av”

Huh?

(I actually read what you wrote earlier, it just sounds ridiculous though)

bump for a chanuka with mashiach

I think we should still take the mussar parts to heart though, and not let the other aspects prevent us from doing so.

It says כל המתאבל על ירושלים זוכה ורואה בשמחתה whoever mourns Jerusalem will see its rejoycing. Explains the Chasam Sofer that he shows that the loss is not dead which is forgotten but it is still alive. He can actually see the redemption and thereby be happy in its consolation.

WOW!!! Still around spouting these messages….

We all need to do teshuava, some more than others. Yeah, you guessed it… little me. Major job in store, big renovations in all areas of YiddishKite, hope to get at least somewhere.. HELP!!

HOWEVER… none of this has anything to do with the haphazard jungle of synapses spewed above. Yes, everything in the world is for us, for us to learn something… for us to take to heart… הכל בשביל ישראל, it’s not for us to claim these “messages” straight from above.. or that “HaShem is just waiting / needing for our message to be broadcast…” Or better yet “He’s waiting for you to join our movement”

I have a niggling feeling somewhere that a Navi didn’t go around shouting “See what happened to the Yankeess? that happend on (Goyeshe date of)… turn the numbers upside down… SO THAT’S A SIMAN YOU SHOULD DO TESHUVA….” I have a feeling messages “from Above” were of a different nature…

And the messengers too, they were נביאים טובים, good, caring, humble, sincere and all the other exemplary fine character traits HaShem would look for to send His word earthward through. They had no need to speak to Bnei Yisroel condescendingly.

Sam u seem to have some issues emotionally something doesn’t add up.. you can inspire people with emes u don’t need this constant ridicules wear calculations

Hashem does not show His presence because of His sadness that He had to destroy the Beis Hamikdash, so the shechina is in galus and hidden from us. We must daven for the galus hashechina to be revealed again. We don’t understand the tzaar of Hashem.

The possuk says (Devorim 30:3) – ושב ה’ אלקיך את שבותך

Rashi comments that it does not say והשיב (i.e. that He will return the Yidden), rather ושב – He Himself will return with the Yidden.
The Shechina dwells with Bnei Yisroel in their suffering in golus, and when we are redeemed – He will return with us.

ושב ה’ אלהיך את שבותך. היה לו לכתב “והשיב” את שבותך, רבותינו למדו מכאן כביכול שהשכינה שרויה עם ישראל בצרת גלותם, וכשנגאלין הכתיב גאולה לעצמו שהוא ישוב עמהם.

Tisha B’Av is related to Pesach as the first day coincides. Many things the Nazis ym’s learned from Pharaoh for example the Jewish kapos and putting those able to work and murdering the rest. Pharaoh would have done the same thing if not for the recognition of Yosef. The Chasam Sofer explains that if not for Pesach, by leaving before the time, other galusin would not have occurred and no Tisha B’av would have happened. The Binah Leitim explains that Hashem rather than fold the belt and hit us at one time, He used on us a regular belt multiple times.

The Chasam Sofer also explains that we eat hardboiled eggs at the Seder to symbolize that similar to eggs where the more they get cooked the harder they get, we the Jews the more we suffer the stronger we stand my our emunah. I heard that we are compared in Shir Hashirim to a rose among the thorns which will grow straight through avoid bending on either side not to get hurt. We the Jews also grow straight by avoiding the suffering when we bend away from Hashem.

Menachem,

Sorry for going off-topic but what is the meaning of the term “Kiddush Lubavitch”? Is it meant to be comparable to a “Kiddush Hashem”? One never hears the words “Kiddush Satmar” or “Kiddush Yeshiva” from those groups. Have Chabad leaders considered how strange it sounds and that this only creates “Elokus” doubts and suspicions?

@ujm, thanks for taking the words out of my mouth

@GadolHadofi, I guess that שנאה blinds you to the extent that you will find “Elokus doubts and suspicions” in everything in Chabad, as is apparent from your ridiculous and off-topic comment.

P.S. If you truly have a burning question, start your own thread.
If it’s just לקנטר, continue to troll all of my comments.

P.P.S. What is the meaning of the name “GadolHadofi”? Is it meant to be comparable to “Gedolei HaTorah”? Are you saying that there is דופי in the words of Torah chas v’shalom? It sounds like you have doubts in the 8th Ani Maamin…
[SATIRE]

Dofi, what does your screen name mean?

“We must daven for the galus hashechina to be revealed again. We don’t understand the tzaar of Hashem.”
So if we don’t understand it how are we expected to feel it?

Wow i can’t believe its already 9/11 again and 21 years later since the tragedy shook the world and the entire klal yisroel with thousands of lives lost relating directly to Tisha bav the day of both bais Hamikdosh were destroyed among many other tragedies that also happened on that day. All reminding us to return to Hashem together with serious Teshuva and Achdus so Hashem can send Mashiach to bring us the Geula and rebuild us the 3rd bais Hamikdosh.

I hope today’s tragic day of 9/11 relating to Tisha Bav will be enough to accept Hashems wake up call so Hashem can send us Mashiach already

Why don’t we bring it down to the physical world level?

How can a person feel the pain of another yid-nosei beol- going through major suffering chas vshalom? By putting himself into that person exact situation and feeling what suffering chas vshalom he must be dealing with right now. And doing something about it to help his friend out. If he needs financial help or chizzuk etc….

Now bring this up a level to ruchnius etc…. How do YOU think Hashems holy shechina is feeling watching his loving children klal yisroel suffering so much in Golus rachmana litzlan especially when it all could’ve been avoided if klal yisroel as a whole nation together had done teshuva before Hashem had to make klal yisroel go through so much tzaros rachmana litzlan? Hashems holy shechina is going through such unlimited pain 24-7 begging Hashem to find a way to stop klal yisroel suffering already.

But with Hashem blessing all of us with bechira-free will-the choice is completely in our hands when the suffering of klal yisroel will come to a complete stop. As soon as we wake ourselves up from living in denial and FACE REALITY together as one loving nation begging Hashem forgiveness and do serious teshuva and Achdus then Hashem can send Mashiach already bkarov.

If we all removed the sinas chinam from amongst all of us rhen everyone in the YWN coffee room can meet together in Jerusalem at the Bais hamikdosh from @CTLawyer in Connecticut to Gadol hador and Reb eliezer etc…. And everyone else in between with love and unity returned to klal yisroel wouldn’t that be amazing? Isn’t now the best time to start working on it immediately?

Looking forward to seeing everyone soon in Jerusalem with the rebuilding of the Bais hamikdosh very soon and Mashiach speedily in our days