Sinas chinam

Classically it refers to hating someone because of what they’ve done to you, since everything is min hashomayim, it’s baseless.

But it can apply to your cases as well, assuming you’re not referring to sinners who violate halacha routinely – the mitzvah of hating them might not apply nowadays, but it’s definitely not baseless hate.

Hating someone because they practice religion differently than you is certainly sinas chinam (especially if their way of practicing religion is a valid one).
Hating someone because they live in a certain area? Are you for real or joking? Of course, it’s sinas chinam; why would you think otherwise?

The Metsudath David commentary on Tehillim, chapter 69, verse 5, seems to imply that Sinat Chinam is hating a person who never harmed you.

Netziv’s introduction to his commentary on Bereishit [HaEmek Davar] teaches that sinat chinam is hating someone because he belongs to a different group or because he has a different point of view or because he does things differently or a different custom.

Square, gedolim say nowadays not to hate people who aren’t frum. It’s a chidush, because chazal say it’s a Mitzvah to hate unrepretent continual sinners, but naniach.

Hating a reform jew who, for instance, is a proud marcher in the abomination parade, and a member of women of the wall, etc…is definitely not baseless! Whether or not you should depends on who you ask. Im not on the madrega to hate someone leshem shomayim, so I don’t.

AviraDeArah, this is probably off topic (sorry) but would you mind clarifying something? I was surprised to see you comparing an abomination-parade marcher to a “women of the wall” member. Are the two really comparable? Abomination parades actively support actual aveiros, and pretty serious aveiros at that. Women of the wall members, on the other hand, probably aren’t shining examples of perfect conduct, but are they actually committing or encouraging aveiros?

Gold, i put them together because they both are openly declaring war on Hashem and His Torah, albeit in different ways. As it happens to be, most WoW are definitely abomination activists, but that’s a separate issue.

What WoW do is deny the Torah, blame rabbis including chazal for not being woke enough, and openly demonstrate that they disagree with the gender roles assigned by halacha to them.

What WOW does and reform and conservative Jews do may be terrible things against yiddishkeit worldwide but with all due respect lets be honest with truth and FACE REALITY. lets ask ourselves honestly “how can we expect Mashiach to come when the Sinas chinam amongst us is worse than when the second bais hamikdosh was destroyed because of baseless hatred amongst all of klal yisroel”?

As soon as we do what Hashem is waiting for us to do AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT THAT IS…… with love inviting all our brethren from all angels and levels of Judaism of the world to join us as one loving nation begging Hashem forgiveness and to bring Mashiach already bkarov then our loving father Hashem ruler of the world is always ready to forgive his loving children klal yisroel. Even the worst sinners in klal yisroel at the end of their life kings Menashe and Achav begged forgiveness for a life of Avoda Zara and bringing the entire nation to turn away from Hashem….. And you know what happened at the end???…. Their teshuva was sincere and wholeheartedly begging Hashem forgiveness and Hashem accepted their teshuva even though it came from years and years of sinning the worst and causing the entire nation of klal yisroel to serve Avoda Zara.

May we all wake up and face reality immediately so Hashem can send Mashiach already bkarov.

@yungermanS,
Thanks for the inspiration. Hopefully we’ll indeed succeed in uniting despite our opposing views, and bring Moshiach.

@amiricanyeshivish,
❤️😂

There’s a well known story about the Brisker Rov (R’ Chaim Soloveitchik). There was a shochet in Brisk who had a Din Torah about a relatively small amount of money, and the Beis Din ruled against him. He insulted R’ Chaim and called him names and walked out, refusing to accept the ruling.
On Yom Kippur night R’ Chaim went with his sons to the Shul where the shochet davened. It was during Kol Nidre and everyone had their taleisim over their heads, so they had to peer under the taleisim until they found the shochet. R’ Chaim asked him three times for mechilah. But the shochet yelled, “Mechilah? No! Get me my money back!”
Months earlier R’ Chaim had ruled about a treifa animal and this same shochet lost a large amount of money because of this animal. The sons asked R’ Chaim, “Why was he mekabel the large loss of the treifa but not the small loss of the din Torah?”
“It didn’t bother him to lose the money,” answered R’ Chaim, “it bothered him that yenem (the other guy) should get the money.”

Common,

I didn’t take the shot, but why bring up old fights in this thread?

If you want to see a perfect example of sinas chinam, look at common saychel’s response to me. This is a person I have never met, who does not know me, makes false assumptions and publicizes lashon hara about me based on my screen name. I never criticized anyone who was anti-vaccine.

Common,

Please, this is completely out of context.
Why would you bring up a random post from the height of the covid debate in 2021 here in this thread?
(It didn’t even have to do with the vaccine. Chanie315 actually agreed with the vaccine. They were arguing about the severity of the virus).

This is just asking for an argument. And in a sinas chinam thread.
Come on.

Coffee, the aveilus is necessary by itself, to drive home what we lost, why we want it back, and to feel the pain of Hashem kavayachol.

But that awareness that we gain from aveilus is supposed to spur us to teshuvah and rectifying the causes of the churban, namely sinas chinam, which the chofetz chaim says refers mainly to lashon hora.

The two things are related, but separately important. Without aveilus, we wouldn’t know what we’re directing our efforts towards.

#sechel
you conveniently left out the brackets there in tanya – for an apikorus there should be ONLY sinah . Tachlis Sin’ah ….

If you hate other Yiden because they lost their way, is there any place for them to come back to?

Think about it. I believe it answers both topics.

Coffee, my experience in “in town” communities is that if someone makes themselves an outcast, then they’ll be one. For better or worse, dressing, talking, and acting differently from literally everyone else will make you stand out and make people not want to be associated with you.

I’ve never met a person who didn’t both say that they were an outcast and also state the importance they felt of maintaining fheir “individuality” and not wanting to be like everyone else.

You can’t have it both ways; not wanting to conform and then complaining when people don’t want much to do with you.

Coffee, no one’s saying to hate anyone. What people often do is not want to associate with people perceived as being modern or otherwise influenced by the goyishe world, whether they were born jewish or not.

Nom, it’s not about accommodating people; it’s people joining a community with the intention of being essentially iconoclasts.

“….. it’s people joining a community with the intention of being essentially iconoclasts.”

That description is applicable to Avraham Avinu.

Real religious people do not conform to communities. They set the value standard for the rest of society. Secularists get all caught up in dress and culture and calling out the uncouth.

@ yankel berel , and how do you define a apikores? look in gemarah, 2) so i can decide who is an apikores, cuz i heard lashon hara about him?

When I was younger (school age) if I noticed I disliked someone for no real reason (perhaps based on assumptions or mild jealously whatever it was) I would force myself to try to become friends with them. Getting to know them usually worked to overcome whatever was causing that feeling and better than that I’d often end up with a new friend.
My suggestion would be to find someone you assume you dislike and reach out in some way and try to find common ground. Like amiricanyeshivish pointed out just happened earlier in this thread.
Remember sinas chinam is a two way street. In my opinion it’s harder to hate someone you know and when there’s no “real reason” it should be easier than you might expect to overcome.

yungermanS – beautifully said!

provaxx – thanks for the stories 🙂

n0mesorah – “If you hate other Yiden because they lost their way, is there any place for them to come back to?” – *applause*