Chabad Inspires all Jews to Yearn for Mashiach

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Another chabad moshiach thread?

Perhaps you miss the point. Litvish yidden have no less emunah or yearning for moishiach than Chabadniks. They just have a very different perspective on what the lawyers would say are the “conditions precedent” for z’man moishiach.

Well, if you never learn more than 3 blatt of 7 random masechtos, how will you ever know anything about yiddishkeit?
The way to have a yearning for the Geulah, is by studying ALL of Torah. Then you will see that half of the Mitzvos cannot be fulfilled and you will have not just a yearning, but a fiery zeal for the Geulah.

Why is it that people who try to build the Beis Hamikdash are called extremists by the FRUM YESHIVISH velt??
And those that study the entire Torah, to keep it, are called baalehbatim??

The Torah is REAL, not some joke

In chapter 11 of Hilchos Melachim in the Frenkel, uncensored, edition of Mishneh Torah, the Rambam writes that the reason Hashem allowed the events of Y Hanotzri (and Mohammed) to take place were to spread the belief in Mashiach, even though it was a totally false belief. Then when the real Mashiach comes he will be accepted by all who will forsake their incorrect beliefs.

So even though the belief that the Lubavicher rebbe was/is Mashiach is totally false, I suppose there may be some good that will eventually come out of it.

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To think that non-Chabadniks wouldn’t yearn for Mashiach without the influence of Chabad is just ridiculous. There is no basis for this whatsoever, and it’s just Chabad once again trying to make themselves more relevant.
As was noted earlier, the Mashiach that Chabad waits for is not the same as what other Jews wait for.
I recently saw an article written by the Rosh Yeshiva of the Chabad yeshiva in Cincinnati. I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry. Here are some excerpts:
He is listing some points that Chabad should always keep in mind: “The constant focus that this concealment is temporary and that at any moment the Rebbe will return and take us out of Galus. This is the greatest source of optimism, excitement and connection. This is the ultimate driving force in the Hiskashrus of a Chassid today. It also creates the true feeling of accountability to the Rebbe, which is so vital and important for every chassid.”

His conclusion is: “Iyh we will be reunited with the Rebbe, Vehu Yigaleinu, and there will be no need to have this discussion!”

There is another group waiting for someone to return and redeem everyone…

The Aim Habanim Semacha quotes the Yerushalmi Masser Sheni (5,2) mentioned by the Tosfas Yom Tov there that we must build the Beis Hamikdash before the coming of meshiach.
The problem is that Eliyahu Hanavi must come first as we don’t know how to build it.

huju,

Having been around Lubavichers on a number of continents for many many years, and knowing well their ins and outs, I can assure you that you have it wrong.

The younger generation has been inculcated with the belief that their rebbe has not died and that he is definitely Mashiach. There are differences in explaining what “has not died” exactly means, but the vast majority sing Yechi etc.

They’re not waiting to appoint an 8th rebbe. They’re waiting for the 7th to reappear.

“I don’t think they have ever mentioned Moshiach directly.”

That’s no accident. The hiding of meshichism is one of the most intricate conspiracies I’ve ever witnessed. Examples you can observe:
-Check out some “talk” pages on wikipedia on Jewish-related articles. Chabad-affiliated editors work tirelessly to push the narrative that mishichism doesn’t exist or is very fringe. (As a side note, they also push for the normalization of the word “misnaged” and its derivatives, but that’s another story for another day).
-Check out what happens when a Chabadnik with smicha tries to open up his own shul (eg. see the fact that there are 2 “Chabad Houses” on Colorado Springs).
-Observe how there is no mention of it on Chabad dot org, even in the comments on any articles. Seems strange given how much people clearly like discussing this issue.

Halachically, it’s better that they hide it. But, in the personal sense, it’s kind of creepy how far it goes.

Right now [May 2023 CE] Lubavitch has hundreds of posters in Brooklyn, placed where they can be seen by millions of people, most of whom are not Jewish.

These posters strongly suggest that Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson [the last Rebbe of Lubavitch] is alive right now, and that he is the Melech HaMashiach, right now.
This is very wrong, for many reasons.

No matter how many things Lubavitch does wrong, they always have thousands of useful idiots who rush to defend them and justify the things they do wrong.

I wish that I also had thousands of useful idiots, who would rush to defend me, and justify me, no matter what I do wrong.

SR: If you would make a kosher corned beef sandwich available to them in Thailand, they’d cover for you too.

Chabad’s replacement theology is actually a major obstacle to Moshiach coming.

Radical Chabad ideologues are constantly attacking traditional Judaism, and attempting to replace it with a new religion of Chabadianity.

Chabad is not claiming Moshiach is near, they are claiming there is a Moshiach now, and he just happens to be the deceased Chabad rebbe. This is a con game to attract donations from well-meaning but misinformed Jews using a false messiah.

Chabad’s false messiah is a radical attack on the true Torah concept of Moshiach, who must be a living Jewish king in Jerusalem.

@AvirahDeArah
I’m not talking about balebatim.
I’m talking about ppl “sitting in learning” in yeshiva for 10-20 years, who are Amaratzim gemurim in shas.
They don’t even know what it is.
When I quote a yerushalmi or a sifra, they look at me like I fell from the moon.

Also, there is something called Halacha for a reason.
You don’t need Eliyahu for that.
Building the Mikdash is like any other mitzvah and chiyuv.
Lo bashamayim hi lemor mi yaaleh lanu hashamayma…..

Throughout history, our ancestors always tried building it.
There were dozens of times when we came very close, to varying degrees.
People who say we can’t, are kofrim.
Maybe we don’t know how to keep shabbos either until Eliyahu comes? Etc…..

Study Torah and Halacha, and we’ll know how.
The earlier generations NEVER said: we dont how to do it.
They tried and failed. Ones rachmana patrei….
We must try and succeed!

Avira > Of course there are working people who are talmidei chachamim, but that’s only if fhey spent years learning before going to work full time.

Interesting question. I would venture majority of T’Ch in history were working, whether full time or not. Did we have T’Ch who always worked and learned, or all of them spent some time (presumably when young) exclusively in learning?

Who exactly tried building the bais hamikdash?

The reason we don’t know how to build it as there is a contradiction between Melachim and Yecheskel and we don’t know which to follow.

Yechezkel is bayis shelishi. Pashut. Zvachim 59-60 makes it clear.
Melachim is irrelevant.
The mizbeach is 24 amos, including the shittin.
Mizbeach adama means not on rocks or ditches.
Anyways, Halacha is Halacha. It’s not effected by these things.
That’s why we have chachamim and bes din

So… What the rishonim say is an “excuse”

We can’t just pick a shitah to pasken from. It’s a chiyuv missah.

I have no idea where these accounts come from; do any rishonim or achronim advocate rebuilding it?

And bar kochva was supported by the gedolim… but he didn’t try to rebuild the beis hamikdash in any event.

Dear Avram,

That was more or less what I was pointing out.

Dear Right,

Denying moshiach ch”v or messianic fervor is not by itself a new religion. This is what is completely unique about Chabad. They have this major separating factor. Yet they do not use it to justify any deviant practice (That I know of.) In any other aspect of Torah.

The fact that the Rishonim did not know where to put the mizbeach is not relevant to today.

The question today is if we could know what is the minimum criteria and can we achieve it.

And then there is a whole nother question. Should we do it if we can.

I’m inclined to think that the answer to the second query is a resounding NO.

Dear Ari,

I’m not sure why Gaon is the number one criteria for Hashkafa.

It pains of terribly to admit this. The Chabad Rebbe know everything in Torah that the Brisker Rav knew. Gaonic qualifications was his strong point. And is what made it near impossible to contest him when he was still living.

“The Rebbe was a descendant of King David.”

I have to admit that I was waiting for that one. Who said he was a descendent of Dovid Hamelech? He did, and his father-in-law did. I think that’s the extent of it. He may indeed have been a descendent, but claiming to be does not mean you are.

Furthermore, their claim to descendency (I hope that’s a real word) is through Rashi… who only had daugthers! Finally, although I don’t remember all the details at the moment, their claim is not through Shlomo Hamelech, and the Rambam, in Peirush Hamishnayos (Sanhedrin 10:1), writes that whoever says Mashiach will not be a descendent of Shlomo is “kofer BaShem uvedivrei neviav”.

“The Chabad Rebbe know everything in Torah that the Brisker Rav knew.”

How do you know that? The Lubavicher rebbe certainly knew a lot, but how do you know how to make that comparison?

Nom, spoken like a true Lubavitcher. Lots of gedolim said he wasn’t big in learning, including the Brisker rov.

The Lubavitcher rebbe was not a rosh yeshiva who wrote chidushim or gave gemara shiurim from which we can see his level of learning. He gave sichos in chasidishe Torah (supposedly), which is a lot easier. Being able to darshen does not make you a gadol batorah

Is it any wonder that in chabad, they extol their rebbes memory, supposed miracles, and fiery drashos, farbrebgens, his alleged behind the scenes work on behalf of Russian jewry, etc…

Never heard a good pshat in a rashba from him. Maybe he did write such things, but I’ve never heard of it.

Dear Avira,

The qualification that the poster gave was gaon. Not depth or analytical strength. Gaon means vast knowledge. The Rebbe was unique in his vast knowledge.

There are many living people who heard his Torah. There are also a select few geniuses that studied with him. He astounded everyone. One Gaon Rosh Yeshiva of today told me that his learning level was on par with Rav Shach. Also, the bnei yeshiva of today considered him the biggest lamdan among all the Rebbes. They went to his farbreingin.