Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher

Dear Avira,

I’m not sure what you are seeing in the meforshim. We know that Nevuah is not what it was in the times of the Bayis Rishon. It is mefurishe pesukim. We do not need the Vilna Goan for that.

I would have to track down all your sources individually.

Seder Olam is clearly coming from the Midrash. Nothing new here.

I saw this piece from Rav Tzaddok inside before. The same way he isn’t saying there is no A’Z anywhere on Earth, he does not mean that there is no ability to attain Nevuah. It means that the world doesn’t work that way anymore. The Idolatry Age was parallel with the availability of Nevuah. I don’t remember if I saw the Goan firsthand, but I always understood it like this Rav Tzadok.

More importantly, nobody ever says that any prophet who comes along today, will be killed because he is automatically a false prophet.

I intend to look up the Michtav Meliyahu when I get a chance.

“If someone would claim that it is valid to not want to experience Moshiach based on Ulah’s opinion, my response would be comparing it to the Chasam Sofer.”

Menachem: How are you qualified to make that comparison, and say that anyone today who holds like Ulah is a kofer, just like the Chasam Sofer says about those who holds like Hillel; anymore than any person today can declare that someone who holds of any random opinion of a Tanna that we don’t pasken like is a kofer?

Dear Da,

As far as I know, there is nothing Chabad about this source.

The site is otzar .org not otzar .com

Dear Arso,

I know a first hand account of a RY of a non chassidshe yeshiva who spoke with him about matters on a different continent.

What do you mean that he wasn’t spending time on communal needs? He built the whole Chabad network across continents. He was involved in many non Chabad communal needs.

I don’t know what you are like, but I made an assumption about a different poster. This is how the Rebbe reacted when he was challenged by people who wouldn’t learn.

If all you know about him is the sichos, then what is the issue? That the sichos don’t support what Chabad says today?!? They 2023 Chabadsker teenager is definitely more in line with the sichos than anything else!

To n0mesorah

“About the time of the Six Day War there was a global campaign to discredit Rav Moshe.” Would you care to elaborate? I’m a Lower East Sider who was alive at that time and I have no idea what you’re talking about.

To Avira who addressed n0mesorah

“Most things that are commonly taught in yeshivos are true. There’s a mesorah which you seem to want to undermine at every chance you get.”
You’re absolutely right, so why do you engage in discussion with n0mesorah? He’s clearly not interested in the truth if he’ll even denigrate Rav Moshe.

Dear Avira,

I’m looking for sources that say after this point in time, every prophet that comes along is obviously a false one. Where does it say that? It would have saved us a lot of grief.

I don’t know to what extent the Rashba rejected him. I don’t understand your question.

The Arizal redid all of Kabbalah. The main purpose of Eitz Chaim was to weed out the illegitimate. If these methods were not valid stuff, they may have slipped through a bit. There wouldn’t be a whole section dedicating to preserving them.

I don’t know why you feel threatened by the existence of prophecy at all times.

Dear Qwerty,

Chas v’shalom that I would denigrate Rav Moshe! Where did you get that from.

The reaction to Rav Moshe over artificial insemination was very intense. Not because his detractors knew what they were talking about. I don’t understand why everyone is so threatened by Chabad. They weren’t threating Rav Moshe to retract his psakim.

Dear Avira,

I don’t care what he is in halachah. That would only matter to if we have to listen to him. The question here is, is he accessing it or not.

So now my question is, when he reaches this clarity, how would he know if it is just ruach hakodesh or actual nevuah?

Did you just post that ruach hakodesh is accessible to all?

To n0mesorah
You’re denying that you insulted Rav Moshe? You stated that there was a global campaign to discredit him. Your intention was to make it seem as if all the Rabbis in the world were renouncing him. Anyone reading that post would come to that conclusion. Now you clarify your statement. Sure there were Poskim who disagreed with his position but everyone accepted him as the Gadol Hador. Now the reason you implied otherwise is because I said that he could have tested the Rebbe as a Novi and you needed to find some way to reject that idea. Have you no shame? That’s a rhetorical question?

Dear Avira,

Again, this is nothing to do with Chabad. There are yidden today that work to experience prophecy. Admittedly, none of them that I know claim success. I doubt they would tell me if they did achieve it.

Though I think I found the key:

“… always said that we don’t have it nowadays.:

Who is the we, and why is that evidence to this discussion?

My point was that Rav Moshe’s test would not have carried universal weight in 1967. The Rebbe had a much greater following, especially among the other Rebbes than Rav Moshe.

Menachem, here’s the relevant text:

In our time of hester, anyone can, through their learning, figure out what Hashem wants them to know about their suffering:

מתוך יסודות וסודות התורה שנתגלו לנו ע”י חז”ל ניתן לכל אדם לבחון ולנסות לפתור ענין מאורעותיו ויסוריו וכו’ ומצינו בזה סוגיא ערוכה בסוטה נט י ע”ש היטב ומסופר על הגר”ח מוואלזין זצ”ל שהודיעוהו פעם

And gedolei yisroel see much deeper, into why things happen in the world, again through their yirah and torah:

בכל דור ודור שתל הקב”ה אותם אבירי גדולי ישראל מתוך תורתם השלמה ויראתם הצרופה חנן אותם הקב”ה באותו כח וסגולת רואה ממש הם המגידים לנו את דרכנו אשר הלכנו עליה ופותרים לנו את תכלית היסורים על מה ולמה באו ולעוררנו ולזרזנו לתקן דרכינו ושלא נהיה ח”ו מאותם שנאמר בהם ותלהטהו סביב ולא ידע ותבער בו בו ממש ולא שם על לב

To n0mesorah

When you admit that what you wrote about Rav Moshe was slanderous and you publicly apologize, I’ll respond to your challenges. You don’t have to remind me that I haven’t answered. It’s totally intentional and it’s because you’ve behaved like a boor.