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August 8, 2023 3:25 pm at 3:25 pm in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2214514ujmParticipant
“If someone would claim that it is valid to not want to experience Moshiach based on Ulah’s opinion, my response would be comparing it to the Chasam Sofer.”
Menachem: How are you qualified to make that comparison, and say that anyone today who holds like Ulah is a kofer, just like the Chasam Sofer says about those who holds like Hillel; anymore than any person today can declare that someone who holds of any random opinion of a Tanna that we don’t pasken like is a kofer?
August 5, 2023 10:16 pm at 10:16 pm in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2213560ujmParticipantDaMoshe, I was only addressing the issue with those Lubatchers who claim that the Lubavitcher Rebbe will be Moshiach. That was the only point that you made in a previous comment of yours above that I responded to. qwerty falsely claimed Rav shach took this position, but Rav Shach did not refer to all Lubavitcher chasidim nor did Rav Shach refer to everyone who thinks the Lubavitcher Rebbe is Moshiach.
And, no, there can be no credibility to an anonymous claim that another anonymous alleged “widely respected, yeshivish Rav” said whatever the anonymous poster claims the anonymous Rav allegedly only once said in a yeshiva but never said publicly. Are we also supposed to accept that he’s “widely respected” and “yeshivish” even though you can’t remember which “major Rav” he said it over from?
But, DaMoshe, here is your most interesting epilogue when you write that “I will say that yes, there was a time when I wouldn’t count a meshichist towards a minyan.” So, please, then do share with us what changed? Why “there was a time” and not anymore? Why did you change and start accepting for a minyan someone who thinks the Lubavitcher Rebbe is Moshiach?
August 5, 2023 10:15 pm at 10:15 pm in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2213559ujmParticipantAvira,
In the last few posts I’m only discussing the Moshiach issue, nothing else. And I can certainly buy that the meshichists are meshugoim, even though that belief doesn’t make them an apikorus.
Now regarding Rav Menashe Klein zt’l, you can read his teshuva that you’re referring to in Mishne Halachos 17. He calls for the Yechi Melech Hamoshiach to stop, and he spends two pages calling on Lubavitchers to appoint a new rebbe. He does attack the idea that the Lubavitcher Rebbe will be Moshiach, but he doesn’t call it apikorsus. What he calls apikorsus is the Bizuy Talmid Chochom that he thinks the radical meshichists cause, when they insist on rubbing their mishugas in everyone’s faces. They turn the Rebbe into a joke, and that is what Rav Klein says is their apikorsus, by being mevaze the Lubavitcher Rebbe.
It is also noteworthy to mention that a few years after the Lubavitcher Rebbe passed away Rav Menashe Klein publicly said that the meshichists are not apikorsim, and that it is not forbidden to have the belief that the Lubavitcher Rebbe is still Moshiach.
August 4, 2023 11:30 am at 11:30 am in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2213486ujmParticipantqwerty: False. No one asked about rabbis who “criticized” them. I can name you dozens of rabbis that criticized other groups or people for many various things.
In this case DaMoshe falsely claimed they they’re like Christians, and that some anonymous “rabbi” who he absolutely refuses to ever name said if they believe the rebbe is moshiach then you can’t count them for a minyan and you can’t drink their wine. You falsely claimed Rav Shach held that position. When I pointed out the falsity of that, the only one you still are rambling about is the YU Prof. Dr. David Berger. No one else, certainly of import, makes such an outlandish claim.
You can’t name names because their are no names for you to name.
August 3, 2023 7:59 pm at 7:59 pm in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2213427ujmParticipantqwerty: You don’t have any rabbis of higher caliber than Dr. Berger? (Which is presumably why he’s the one you’re citing.)
August 3, 2023 3:58 pm at 3:58 pm in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2213368ujmParticipantqwerty: I have no idea what you’re rattling about. Do you have any specific names of rabbis or not? If so, please list a handful.
August 3, 2023 10:16 am at 10:16 am in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2213315ujmParticipantAvira, None of the shochtim at Rubashkin’s were problematic?
August 3, 2023 10:14 am at 10:14 am in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2213314ujmParticipantN0m: Kindly share the names you allegedly were told. (Unless the next line will be that they are top secret national security because if known “the bad guys will beat up those rabbis.”)
August 3, 2023 8:45 am at 8:45 am in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2213249ujmParticipantqwerty: Rav Shach does not say that.
And whether David Berger says it or not is as relevant as whether Dr. Anthony Fauci says it or not.
August 2, 2023 11:39 pm at 11:39 pm in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2213158ujmParticipantDaMoshe: Is that’s a normative position, you and the rebbe would have no problem saying which Rebbe that is. In fact, you would both be proud to name him and make it well known this position of his.
So, DaMoshe, what is the name of said Rebbe and which Yeshiva?
August 2, 2023 8:11 pm at 8:11 pm in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2213140ujmParticipantN0m: Where do you dream these up at? Can you name at least three of these rabbis you refer to that allegedly were expecting him to reveal himself?
ujmParticipantAvira, which psak of Rav Moshe regarding yerushos are you referring to (that isn’t accepted)?
ujmParticipantAvira,
Isn’t Yeshiva Torah Vodass officially a Chasidishe yeshiva (Nusach Sefard, etc) since the times of Reb Shrage Feivel Mendelovitz?
ujmParticipantDaMoshe: And your point is _______ ?
ujmParticipantSACT5: “Since the survey doesn’t split out orthodox subgroups isn’t it also possible that rather than more non-haredim orthodox Jews moving right politically, that haredim in the last 7 years have become a larger proportion of the overall orthodox group accounting for some of the percentage shift to the political right?”
Your point is absolutely true. Orthodoxy is becoming more Chareidi, mainly as a result of the higher Chareidi fertility rate even compared to other Orthodox non-Chareidi demographics. In 2013 the Pew survey indicated that Chareidim were in the low 60-something percent of Orthodox Jews. (Up until about the 1980s Chareidim were a minority of the American Orthodox.) Now the percentage is even higher.
But even granting all that, when a full 75% of all Orthodox Jews in the United States identify as Republican (or Republican-leaning), it is clear that the solidly Republican nature of today’s American Orthodox Jews is much more pervasive among all the Orthodox, rather than just the Chareidim.
ujmParticipantAn interesting point from the survey is that it demonstrates that Orthodox Jews as a whole, not just Chareidim, are very Republican, very politically conservative, very supportive of President Trump and largely disapprove of the Democrats.
ujmParticipantMenachem, Neville, AAQ, etc.: The poll very clearly notes that they accept self-identification regarding purposes of streams/affiliation (Orthodox, Conservative, etc.) If the respondent claims to be Orthodox but eats non-kosher when traveling out of town, that’s what the survey will reflect. Motcha’s point, I’m sure, plays a role in that 4-5% of self-identifying Orthodox who admit to practicing or believing in unorthodox ways.
Neville, the geographical information is pertaining to ALL self-identified American Jews, including the majority of non-Orthodox Jews.
ujmParticipantTypo – the above sub-sentence should have read:
“c) Democrats: 17% friendly, 25% neutral, 54% unfriendly.”
ujmParticipantHere’s some more figures from this Pew survey:
11% of American Jews between the ages of 18 and 29 are Chareidi/Ultra-Orthodox. An even larger percentage of those under age 18 are.
The earlier mentioned 17% figure is of American Jews between ages 18 and 29, are Orthodox. The Orthodox figure for all under 30 year olds (including under 18) is much higher. Reform are 29% and Conservative is 8% of American Jews between the ages of 18 and 29. Their numbers are even lower for those under 18. Within Judaism, denominational switching has led to the largest net losses for the Conservative movement, which, in the 1950s and 1960s, was the largest branch of American Jewry. For every person who has joined Conservative Judaism, nearly three people who were raised in the Conservative movement have left it.
Orthodox has the highest retention rate of all streams. The Orthodox retention rate had been much higher among people raised in Orthodox Judaism in recent decades than among those who came of age as Orthodox Jews in the 1950s, ’60s and ’70s. Conservative has the lowest retention rate, with only 41% of people brought up Conservative still remaining Conservative. (30% of those raised Conservative became Reform.) 85% of today’s Orthodox Jewish adults were raised Orthodox and 15% of today’s Orthodox Jews came from outside Orthodoxy, including 5% who were raised as Conservative and 2% who were raised as Reform.
The survey also indicates that fertility among Orthodox Jews is more than twice as high as among non-Orthodox Jews. Orthodox Jewish adults report having an average of 3.3 children, while non-Orthodox Jews have an average of 1.4 children. Orthodox Jews also are five years younger, on average, when they give birth to their first child (23.6 vs. 28.6 among non-Orthodox Jews). This includes young adults in their prime childbearing years, who may give birth to additional children in the future that are not accounted for in these figures. Orthodox Jews tend to live in much larger households than Jews who identify with other branches or streams of American Judaism. The average Orthodox household in the survey contains 2.0 children, compared with 0.3 children per household among Conservative Jews and 0.5 children per household among Reform Jews. Orthodox Jews (median age of 35 among adults) are substantially younger than Conservative Jews (62) and Reform Jews (53).
75% of Orthodox Jews said they were Republicans or leaned Republican. Nearly eight-in-ten Orthodox Jews (77%) rated Donald Trump as friendly toward Jews in the U.S., while six-in-ten said the same about the Republican Party. Conversely, only 22% of Orthodox Jews rated the Democratic Party as friendly toward U.S. Jews. 86% of Orthodox Jews rated then-President Donald Trump’s handling of policy toward Israel as “excellent” or “good”. Orthodox Jews said the policies towards Israel by a) Donald Trump: 94% friendly, 4% neutral, <1% unfriendly; b) Republicans: 73% friendly, 22% neutral, 1% unfriendly; c) Democrats: 17% friendly, 25% unfriendly, 54% unfriendly. 68% of Orthodox Jews approved of Trump’s immigration policies.
Nearly all Orthodox Jews in the survey (95%) describe being Jewish as very important in their lives. Orthodox Jews are among the most highly religious groups in U.S. society in terms of the share who say religion is very important in their lives (86%) – along with Black Protestants (78%) and White evangelicals (76%). Jews who did not obtain college degrees are much more inclined to say that religion is very important in their lives. The observance of halacha is particularly important to Orthodox Jews, 83% of whom deem it essential. Fully three-quarters of the Orthodox say they find a great deal of meaning and fulfillment in their religion, exceeded only by the share who feel that way about spending time with their families (86%). And 93% of Orthodox Jews say they believe in G-d as described in the Torah, compared with a quarter of Jews overall (which means even less than a quarter of the non-Orthodox.) 95% of Orthodox Jews say they keep kosher, 24% of Conservative Jews say they keep kosher and 5% of Reform Jews say they keep kosher.
About half of Orthodox Jews in the U.S. say they have “not much” (23%) or “nothing at all” (26%) in common with Jews in the Reform movement. Reform Jews generally reciprocate those feelings: Six-in-ten say they have not much (39%) or nothing at all (21%) in common with the Orthodox.
Orthodox Jews are much more likely to experience or be victims of antisemitism than non-Orthodox Jews.
66% of American Jews identify as Ashkenazic, 3% identify as Sephardic and 1% identify as Mizrachi.
25% of Conservative Jews, 12% of Reform Jews and 8% of Jews who do not identify with any particular branch of Judaism say they at least sometimes participate in activities or services with Chabad. One-quarter of Chabad participants are Orthodox Jews (24%), and another quarter identify with Conservative Judaism (26%). About half of Chabad participants are from other streams or don’t affiliate with any particular branch of Judaism
One-in-four American Jews say they have family incomes of $200,000 or more (23%). By comparison, just 4% of U.S. adults report household incomes at that level. At the other end of the spectrum, one-in-ten U.S. Jews report annual household incomes of less than $30,000, versus 26% of Americans overall. Half of U.S. Jews described their financial situation as living “comfortably” (53%), compared with 29% of all U.S. adults. At the same time, 15% of Jewish adults said they had difficulty paying for medical care for themselves or their family in the past year, 11% said they had difficulty paying their rent or mortgage, 8% said they had a difficult time paying for food, and 19% had trouble paying other types of bills or debts.
About four-in-ten Jewish adults (38%) live in the Northeast – roughly double the share of U.S. adults overall who live in that census region (18%). A quarter of Jewish Americans reside in the West (25%), and a similar share live in the South (27%). Just one-in-ten Jewish adults live in the Midwest. Among the Orthodox, a much larger proportion live in the Northeast.
ujmParticipantIt is true that they count patrilineal descent as Jewish (if the person self-identifies as Jewish) even if maternally (and therefore halachicly) they’re non-Jewish.
But, on the other hand, those who do not identify as Jewish, even though maternally they are Jewish, are counted as non-Jews even though they are halachicly Jewish. Even if their great-grandmother married a Goy and all her descendants identified as Christian, they’re all Jewish if from the maternal line.
ujmParticipantWhich filters have a goy manually look at each picture or image in real time before deciding if it is permissible?
ujmParticipantAvira, do you have the source for the quote you provided in an older thread from Rav Yaakov Kaminetzky zt’l, that he said in Camp Ohr Shraga regarding racism? Shkoyach
July 29, 2023 11:45 pm at 11:45 pm in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2211920ujmParticipantMenachem: To clarify, if he intended to refuse to identify the 20-something year old guy who was charged with battery against him, why did he choose to press charges? (Also, is there any shailos of using arkaos in this case?)
July 28, 2023 6:31 pm at 6:31 pm in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2211815ujmParticipantAvram, there’s a NY Times story from 1984, available on their site, reporting on the acquittal of all charges of the Satmar guy who was charged.
July 28, 2023 12:23 am at 12:23 am in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2211611ujmParticipantqwerty, I’ve found Menachem’s explanation about the Israelis quite clear. I don’t see anything else he could add to what he already explained.
July 25, 2023 10:18 pm at 10:18 pm in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2210978ujmParticipantAvira, the other Chasidish groups also marry much younger. They also stress, continually educate and remind about tznius. And if issues in this area come up, they make statements about it.
July 25, 2023 8:31 am at 8:31 am in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2210752ujmParticipantMenachem Shmei: Do you agree with Neville CB’s response to my question to you about tznius?
ujmParticipantDidn’t the Chofetz Chaim pasken you can’t shave your beard off?
July 24, 2023 2:11 pm at 2:11 pm in reply to: Chris Christie – why can’t Jews rally around him? #2210591ujmParticipantChristie is a social liberal.
Christie was first against Trump, then he was for Trump and now he’s against Trump. He can’t seem to make to his mind.
He’s good for a liberal state but not for the nation.
ujmParticipantHaLeiVi: In your estimation or view, how could the system or law best be changed to fix the problem you described?
ujmParticipantBaltimore: Class action suits where the lawyers walk away with $30 million while each of the people in the class who were harmed get $30 each? That $30 doesn’t correct their harm; it just lines the lawyers wallets — and raises prices for American consumers, who are later paying for the grossly disproportionate rewards every time they purchase a product or service.
And that’s even assuming there was some actual harm, rather than the company settling simply to avoid the costs and risks of litigation, where some otherwise uneducated or vagrant mathematically-challenged jurors trying to wrap up early to get home add some zeros to the end of the dollar figure of the award.
July 23, 2023 12:37 am at 12:37 am in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2210249ujmParticipantMenachem Shmei, another issue I was wondering what insight you might share is regarding the state of tznius in Crown Heights. I’ve heard numerous folks comment, both Lubavitchers from the neighborhood as well as outsiders, that the general state leaves a lot to be desired as there is problem in this area, regarding how too many women dress in public, to a notably greater extent than you’d find in other Chareidi communities. In fact, Itzhak Schier z”l, a Lubavitcher who used to be a very frequent and active poster here in this Coffee Room, was one of those that acknowledged this problem. I’m wondering what you might attribute to why this is a greater issue in Lubavitch than in other Chasidic (where typically they have stricter standards) communities or even other non-Chasidic frum neighborhoods.
ujmParticipantCTL: I don’t necessarily disagree with your realpolitik analysis. But, certainly, the reforms I describe are morally needed and the best and proper way for the law to prescribe. And one can certainly hope the political environment will change in the future to permit implementation of these tort reforms.
ujmParticipanthuju knocks someone or another over the use of “busses” about every two or three years. But, in fact, the dictionary specifies that both buses and busses are acceptable and correct spellings of the same word. And, although, currently buses is by far the more common spelling, previously busses was more common as well as having been the preferred spelling of the word in Merriam-Webster’s dictionary until 1961.
July 19, 2023 2:26 pm at 2:26 pm in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2209645ujmParticipantYseribus: What leads you to believe HaRav Shach zt’l wasn’t offering his own opinion rather than acting as spokesman for others?
ujmParticipantIronically, auto insurance rates in Manhattan are half the cost of in Brooklyn. Brooklyn suffers from a lot of fraud. Like the Russians who stage an “accident” to collect medical.
ujmParticipantShimon: You can easily find insurance for less than $300/month without TLC.
ujmParticipantThe Frumguy: Check Costco’s auto insurance. It is through CONNECT, a division of American Family Insurance.
July 18, 2023 7:34 pm at 7:34 pm in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2209405ujmParticipantYseribus: Who took the poll or survey that leads you to think that it is the “opinion of most of the Gedolim in Klal Yisroel”?
July 18, 2023 12:28 pm at 12:28 pm in reply to: YWN Coffee Room in 50 Years: A Trip up Memory Lane #2209269ujmParticipantDr. Pepper: Did you visit the old age home or did his aide bring him to you?
ujmParticipantYou should also be saying Berishus Avi Mori if bentching with your father.
ujmParticipantSwitch insurance companies.
ujmParticipantI hear Berishus Kohanim all the time before bentching.
You must be in the wrong circles.
ujmParticipantIs there any reason to doubt that some of our Gedolim today are capable of creating a Golem, if he deems it necessary?
ujmParticipantBump
ujmParticipantsmerel: Your comment to me is well said and entirely correct. But I don’t understand why you think the answer isn’t very Chasidish. You didn’t even address that point.
ujmParticipantYserbius: That’s a very Chasidish answer.
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July 16, 2023 7:43 pm at 7:43 pm in reply to: YWN Coffee Room in 50 Years: A Trip up Memory Lane #2208790ujmParticipantA+
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